Ok I used red apples and took this recipe and combined it with pecan pie from white kayro syrup label (with exception of my secret 1/2 cup variation of flavored syrup of my choice, usually ceap butter pecan flavor. BUt i actuañly had some maple this time and did both maple and butterpecan mixed substition) then i followed this recipe deciding to keeñ extra sugar and ill say it prob could be left out and more to most taste but was just fine to my liking but i have an extreme sweet tooth. And the strussle topping. This is one i go out of my way to avoid making to control my weight because i would be so big i couldnt move otherwise.